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	<title>Comments on: Media Centre Musings (Part 2 &#8211; The Plan)</title>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15799</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 12:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll build mine when I have a real purpose for it ... currently we&#039;re sporting an awesome 1999-technology CRT TV of some description, so at the moment there&#039;s really no point.

That isn&#039;t to say I won&#039;t have a geek indulgence session and go out and buy it all anyway, but I&#039;ll let you know when that happens.

No opinion on Mythbuntu, but if it&#039;s anything like the Ubuntu it&#039;s based on, it should be pretty damn good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll build mine when I have a real purpose for it &#8230; currently we&#8217;re sporting an awesome 1999-technology CRT TV of some description, so at the moment there&#8217;s really no point.</p>
<p>That isn&#8217;t to say I won&#8217;t have a geek indulgence session and go out and buy it all anyway, but I&#8217;ll let you know when that happens.</p>
<p>No opinion on Mythbuntu, but if it&#8217;s anything like the Ubuntu it&#8217;s based on, it should be pretty damn good.</p>
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		<title>By: e l i</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15798</link>
		<dc:creator>e l i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Microsoft is for nubs, it gives me the shits, why oh why does it insist on paging – I&#039;ve got 16GB of ram and after boot it&#039;ll have 500mb of page file in use, WHY??. I just hope Win7 will be better, not that I spend much time in windows anyway. It also seems to have trouble scheduling across processors/cores, or maybe I&#039;m just setting it up wrong.

I saw that knob, what the hell could it possibly do??

I want the micro but I&#039;m not sure if i&#039;ll be able to get the hardware I want into it, which blows since the bigger ones are ridiculously priced.

I thought there was going to be trouble with Blu-ray, I&#039;ve got a separate player but it would have been nice just to have one box for media sources.

On the noise issue, I&#039;m hoping that by having this system and the main storage separated, I can have it pretty quiet, the 15K disks I&#039;m not sure how loud they will be but I have a couple in my main computer and I can&#039;t hear them. Lounge room will be different obviously, will have to see. The less fans the better.

When are you planning on building yours? Any opinion on the Mythbuntu distro?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Microsoft is for nubs, it gives me the shits, why oh why does it insist on paging – I&#8217;ve got 16GB of ram and after boot it&#8217;ll have 500mb of page file in use, WHY??. I just hope Win7 will be better, not that I spend much time in windows anyway. It also seems to have trouble scheduling across processors/cores, or maybe I&#8217;m just setting it up wrong.</p>
<p>I saw that knob, what the hell could it possibly do??</p>
<p>I want the micro but I&#8217;m not sure if i&#8217;ll be able to get the hardware I want into it, which blows since the bigger ones are ridiculously priced.</p>
<p>I thought there was going to be trouble with Blu-ray, I&#8217;ve got a separate player but it would have been nice just to have one box for media sources.</p>
<p>On the noise issue, I&#8217;m hoping that by having this system and the main storage separated, I can have it pretty quiet, the 15K disks I&#8217;m not sure how loud they will be but I have a couple in my main computer and I can&#8217;t hear them. Lounge room will be different obviously, will have to see. The less fans the better.</p>
<p>When are you planning on building yours? Any opinion on the Mythbuntu distro?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15797</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MythTV does run on *nix; I was asking if you were going to use ... something Microsoft.

Nice setup, especially the disks! Unfortunately for me, in a townhouse, I really have no place to put a dedicated server where noise is not an issue. Whatever I build must be self-contained and quiet.

From anecdotal evidence only, I would judge that system more than capable of recording two channels and playback simultaneously.

Bluray ... the bane of all *nix-based solutions. At present the only way to get Bluray playback is by dumping the entire disc to your drive and juggling with the content-protection keys which are periodically updated. In short: there is no way you can have a *nix-based HTPC playing back Bluray without hassle. You will require some technical knowledge (or a very well thought out script) to &quot;automate&quot; it.

And yes, the 350 Micro is probably what I&#039;ll go with. It is the cheapest, but I can&#039;t see what benefit the more expensive models provide to me - a control knob on the front? What is the point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MythTV does run on *nix; I was asking if you were going to use &#8230; something Microsoft.</p>
<p>Nice setup, especially the disks! Unfortunately for me, in a townhouse, I really have no place to put a dedicated server where noise is not an issue. Whatever I build must be self-contained and quiet.</p>
<p>From anecdotal evidence only, I would judge that system more than capable of recording two channels and playback simultaneously.</p>
<p>Bluray &#8230; the bane of all *nix-based solutions. At present the only way to get Bluray playback is by dumping the entire disc to your drive and juggling with the content-protection keys which are periodically updated. In short: there is no way you can have a *nix-based HTPC playing back Bluray without hassle. You will require some technical knowledge (or a very well thought out script) to &#8220;automate&#8221; it.</p>
<p>And yes, the 350 Micro is probably what I&#8217;ll go with. It is the cheapest, but I can&#8217;t see what benefit the more expensive models provide to me &#8211; a control knob on the front? What is the point?</p>
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		<title>By: e l i</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15796</link>
		<dc:creator>e l i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The corporates? I thought MythTV only ran on nix?

I read the doco on the flight back last night, for sure what you want to do the atom will give you plenty of grunt but you&#039;ve already worked that out. Mine will be more of a central media hub where I&#039;ll probably look at having a atom based front end for the bedroom and outdoors.

Based on the documentation I&#039;ll probably have the following
Athlon X2 4550e 
780G MB
4/8GB ram - Not sure if more ram will help
ATI 4350 GC - Has HDMI and 8CH LPCM passthru
I&#039;ve got a couple of 146GB 15K SAS disks which i&#039;ll use as the intermediate storage between that and the SAN.

I&#039;m hoping that i&#039;ll have enough go to record 2 channels and playback on multiple front-ends (Not that I have to, but why not)

I&#039;m thinking of having a bluray burner for playback and copying to disk but I haven&#039;t found much information on this yet.

As for the case will you be using the &quot;micro&quot; one? it looks pretty swell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The corporates? I thought MythTV only ran on nix?</p>
<p>I read the doco on the flight back last night, for sure what you want to do the atom will give you plenty of grunt but you&#8217;ve already worked that out. Mine will be more of a central media hub where I&#8217;ll probably look at having a atom based front end for the bedroom and outdoors.</p>
<p>Based on the documentation I&#8217;ll probably have the following<br />
Athlon X2 4550e<br />
780G MB<br />
4/8GB ram &#8211; Not sure if more ram will help<br />
ATI 4350 GC &#8211; Has HDMI and 8CH LPCM passthru<br />
I&#8217;ve got a couple of 146GB 15K SAS disks which i&#8217;ll use as the intermediate storage between that and the SAN.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m hoping that i&#8217;ll have enough go to record 2 channels and playback on multiple front-ends (Not that I have to, but why not)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking of having a bluray burner for playback and copying to disk but I haven&#8217;t found much information on this yet.</p>
<p>As for the case will you be using the &#8220;micro&#8221; one? it looks pretty swell.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15794</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 03:24:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Umart stock the Antec cases.

I think the dual-core N330 version of the ION platform should be enough for me - it&#039;s &quot;only&quot; 1.6Ghz, but I have used these Atom systems before, and a standard single-core 1.6Ghz can play back 720p &lt;i&gt;unaccelerated&lt;/i&gt; just fine. As for your question, if you read the very old doco on MythTV, they say that an 2.4Ghz Pentium 4 is &quot;just enough&quot; to record and play back HD content by its lonesome. It depends on your space requirements; with digital television you can dump the MPEG2 direct to disk without any transcoding on the fly. It&#039;s pretty big, though with hard disk prices these days, who cares?

Aside from recording the odd show, mine will mainly be for watching television and media sourced from elsewhere.

With the cost of $385 for the ION mini-ITX board + $100 for 4Gb of RAM (its only $30 more for 4Gb than 2Gb, so why not?) plus the case, it works out cheaper than my previous Intel build, but not sure how it compares to your Athlon X2 system. Will investigate!

Are you planning on using Linux, or are you going to succumb to the corporates? :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Umart stock the Antec cases.</p>
<p>I think the dual-core N330 version of the ION platform should be enough for me &#8211; it&#8217;s &#8220;only&#8221; 1.6Ghz, but I have used these Atom systems before, and a standard single-core 1.6Ghz can play back 720p <i>unaccelerated</i> just fine. As for your question, if you read the very old doco on MythTV, they say that an 2.4Ghz Pentium 4 is &#8220;just enough&#8221; to record and play back HD content by its lonesome. It depends on your space requirements; with digital television you can dump the MPEG2 direct to disk without any transcoding on the fly. It&#8217;s pretty big, though with hard disk prices these days, who cares?</p>
<p>Aside from recording the odd show, mine will mainly be for watching television and media sourced from elsewhere.</p>
<p>With the cost of $385 for the ION mini-ITX board + $100 for 4Gb of RAM (its only $30 more for 4Gb than 2Gb, so why not?) plus the case, it works out cheaper than my previous Intel build, but not sure how it compares to your Athlon X2 system. Will investigate!</p>
<p>Are you planning on using Linux, or are you going to succumb to the corporates? :-P</p>
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		<title>By: e l i</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15792</link>
		<dc:creator>e l i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, I was having a look at them. IMO, would be good for a front-end system but they are pretty costly to begin with at nearly $300. Depends on the purpose of course. 

For me I&#039;m looking at having 3 tuners but I&#039;ll probably have the storage mounted over iSCSI to my filer. Changed my mind on the Sempron – found a Athlon X2 4850e with a TDP of 45W bringing it to a similar league of the Sempron but far more powerful, I hope enough to record 2 programs at once. Any idea on that?

But I really like that case you picked out looks good, I might have to go with one of them. Where abouts did you source that?

Sorry for the long comment


eese</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, I was having a look at them. IMO, would be good for a front-end system but they are pretty costly to begin with at nearly $300. Depends on the purpose of course. </p>
<p>For me I&#8217;m looking at having 3 tuners but I&#8217;ll probably have the storage mounted over iSCSI to my filer. Changed my mind on the Sempron – found a Athlon X2 4850e with a TDP of 45W bringing it to a similar league of the Sempron but far more powerful, I hope enough to record 2 programs at once. Any idea on that?</p>
<p>But I really like that case you picked out looks good, I might have to go with one of them. Where abouts did you source that?</p>
<p>Sorry for the long comment</p>
<p>eese</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15791</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 02:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the heads up, but! Have you seen anything on the new nVidia ION platform? It&#039;s basically an Intel Atom + integrated GeForce 9xxx low-power GPU, chipset, WiFi etc. You can buy mini-ITX boards with everything on it (just add RAM) and have yourself a whole system whose power usage tops out around 40W ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the heads up, but! Have you seen anything on the new nVidia ION platform? It&#8217;s basically an Intel Atom + integrated GeForce 9xxx low-power GPU, chipset, WiFi etc. You can buy mini-ITX boards with everything on it (just add RAM) and have yourself a whole system whose power usage tops out around 40W ;-)</p>
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		<title>By: e l i</title>
		<link>http://owened.net/2009/05/11/media-centre-musings-part-2-the-plan/comment-page-1#comment-15788</link>
		<dc:creator>e l i</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice one, In the middle of building one myself but personally I&#039;d go for a Sempron over the Pentium D, in fact anything other than the intel stuff. Paired with a 790G motherboard and the right stuff you should have an idle in the vicinity of 40W – maybe less.

Unless you don&#039;t care about wasting power :P


eese</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one, In the middle of building one myself but personally I&#8217;d go for a Sempron over the Pentium D, in fact anything other than the intel stuff. Paired with a 790G motherboard and the right stuff you should have an idle in the vicinity of 40W – maybe less.</p>
<p>Unless you don&#8217;t care about wasting power :P</p>
<p>eese</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 05:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over the last week i have been playing with boxee it seems pretty great. although i haven&#039;t really used it too much since its more practical to just double click on the video i want to watch from the file browser, select the song i want to listen to in rhythmbox... but if i were to have a spare computer connected to my non existant lcd tv i would definitely make use of boxee.

although after reading your post i will be sure to check out mythbuntu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over the last week i have been playing with boxee it seems pretty great. although i haven&#8217;t really used it too much since its more practical to just double click on the video i want to watch from the file browser, select the song i want to listen to in rhythmbox&#8230; but if i were to have a spare computer connected to my non existant lcd tv i would definitely make use of boxee.</p>
<p>although after reading your post i will be sure to check out mythbuntu</p>
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